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Leaving DA

Journal Entry: Tue Jan 17, 2017, 6:58 PM
I've actually been thinking about this for a long time, but I've got so much BP stuff up here that I was hesitent to get rid of this account. However, I'm not really active here anymore, due to hitting a brick wall in my life that I'm still slowly trying to either break through or ascend. Either way, this is part of that 'moving on' stage.

I've had many, many years on this site, starting from when I was about 11-13 years old? I can't even remember, and I've met such incredible people on here. It's a shame but I think I'm going to put this account to rest, take all my work back, and restart somewhere else.

Honestly, as much as this site has had me, it hasn't really helped me grow as an artist. I've had to do all that myself and I just really see no point in continuing on DA anymore. I know I've gotten quiet the reputation thanks to this site, and that Jeff VS Slenderman video, but that's just not me. It's not who I am as an artist, it was a fleeting interest that helped me improve my work a tiny smidge. I want to be able to do what I want when I want without having to conform to the image that this site has of me as the 'creepy-artist-girl', among other things I don't think about this site.

First off, there are way, waaaay too many kids here. There are kids what shouldn't even be on the internet on this site. It floods this website with all kinds of 'art' that just kind of overtakes actual art. It's hard to get exposure here unless you're a big badass like Sakimichan or Artgerm that have been on here for the longest of times. It's the same rules as YouTube, where if you didn't catch it during it's development, that's it, buddy.

Secondly, there's been all kinds of things said bout DA and it's privacy and it's actual care about artists creating content. Granted, most of the content I've seen being stolen by giants such as Hot Topic are under the category of 'fanart', which, can stem off into an entire different argument altogether. That aside, an artist STILL created those pieces and is STILL getting ripped off by both DA and Hot Topic (and God knows who else), because DA is totally fine with giving our stuff away, royalty free to a third party: (I'm going to paste this over from the post I read on Tumblr)

"3. License To Use Artist Materials. As and when Artist Materials are uploaded to the DeviantArt Site(s), Artist grants to DeviantArt a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to do the following things during the Term:

a) to prepare and encode Artist Materials or any part of them for digital or analog transmission, manipulation and exhibition in any format and by any means now known or not yet known or invented; (DA can post them on their website and edit them in any way they see fit)

b) to display, copy, reproduce, exhibit, publicly perform, broadcast, rebroadcast, transmit, retransmit, distribute through any electronic means (including analog and digital) or other means, and electronically or otherwise publish any or all of the Artist Materials, including any part of them, and to include them in compilations for publication, by any and all means and media now known or not yet known or invented ; (They can publish your art in any media, use it to showcase their website or even promote certain groups without your knowledge. For all you know, your art could be promoting the KKK.)

c) to modify, adapt, change or otherwise alter the Artist Materials (e.g., change the size) and use the Artist Materials as described in Section 3(b); and

d) the right to sublicense to any other person or company any of the licensed rights in the Artist Materials, or any part of them, subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement. (They can edit, change, or otherwise modify your artwork in any way they want, as well as sublicensing it to third parties, such as Hot Topic.)

e) Artist acknowledges that Artist will not have any right, title, or interest in any other materials with which Artist Materials may be combined or into which all or any portion of Artist Materials may be incorporated. (By posting on FA, you forfeit your right to dispute any third party profits or copyright infringements upon your art.)

f) During the Term, DeviantArt’s licenses under this Agreement include the right to use any part of the Artist Materials in the promotion, advertising or marketing of the DeviantART Sites. (DeviantArt can use your art to advertise anything they want.)

g) As used in this Agreement, the term “Artist Materials” means any content uploaded to the DeviantArt Site(s) which may include without limitation Artist’s name(s) (including professional names), trademarks, trade names, likenesses, photographs, biographical materials, audio-visual materials, artwork, liner notes, and other graphical, textual, video, film or audio materials and any and all “skins,” computer-generated images or other artwork or images that Artist submits to DeviantArt in any medium or format whatsoever. (ANYTHING you submit to DeviantArt belongs to DeviantArt now. Including your drawings, your photos, videos, your stock materials, your music/audio, your written stories, and your artist name.)

Yes. THEY CAN EVEN USE YOUR ACTUAL ARTIST NAME. THEY OWN IT NOW, IF YOU ARE PART OF DA."

So I don't like that. I don't like that one bit, especially because my artist name, my art, is mine, and I was too young and an idiot to read through the agreement. I don't like how DA operates, so I've decided that I just don't want my art up here anymore. I'm taking it down and taking it back. I made it and that's my own right to do so. 

I'll be moving to sparrowsnest.tumblr.com to host any and all BP work from now on while I get my life together. I'm still working on it, just slowly, since really, finding a job has been difficult this past year and a real blow to my self-esteem as not just an artist but as a person. I've also made a patreon to see if I can put a bit of a dent in my expenses and keep food on the table too. You can read more about it below:

Oh and a little extra for all you BL-loving Yaoi fagirls out there (who are trash just like me), I've also got a BL-centric blog at mossybrows-draws.tumblr.com for lots of ZoSan and other goodies!! My patreon is actually centered around BL Art alongside some Hetero-NSFW and SFW pinups and stuff, so please do check it out! Just pledging $2 really helps! I JUST put it up last week, so you'd really be doing me a solid by supporting me as an artist, then maybe I can actually think about the possibility of making a comeback with Blue Pact. www.patreon.com/mossybrows
I'll keep this account up to respond to people's questions in the comments below. No, I don't have time to go through all my notes and I'd really just deal with everything out in the open, embarrassing questions or not. I don't care anymore, better to just lay it all out there for everyone to see, read, and understand for themselves.

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:icontimthebigdaddy:
TimtheBigDaddy Featured By Owner May 19, 2017  Student General Artist
Hey P4perCake, have you read that journal that CrystalWarder linked to?
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:icontheskull31:
TheSkull31 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2017  Professional General Artist
I'm noticing a trend here. In the last several months, more than a dozen of my watchers, including those that I watch myself, have left this site due to some strange feeling that the people running this site can and will use your art whenever they please without your consent, and after seeing this I'm sure that I know exactly why those dozen or more friends of mine who were friends with me here decided to leave. However, I am going to find a way to address this issue myself in a way that meets the standards of this site without (unintentionally) offending any of the staff that work here, so I'm going to post a philosophical literature submission on my page over here next week to address said issue.
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:icongamekarim:
GameKarim Featured By Owner Edited Apr 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Noooo, I was inactive for a long time and now after several months I see that one of my favourite artists has left this site too ;-;

EDIT: Will give you a follow on your tumblr-acc.
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:iconlalc:
lalc Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017
Jesus christ.
I'm out.
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
RUUUUN B**** RUUUUUN!
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:icontimthebigdaddy:
TimtheBigDaddy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017  Student General Artist
Shit, with that bit about the stuff in the Agreement I might finally leave DA. That's despicable and EXTREMELY unethical behavior.
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
*nod nod* Yeah I know right? I can't believe this either.
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:iconsaphirone-arnes:
Saphirone-Arnes Featured By Owner Edited Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay that was something I didn't expected. Sorry that you have lived through this. I'm going to see the future differently on DeviantArt now. I already knew there was some big problems with that, but now that I know how true it is I can only understand your position.
Good luck !
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you for listening! I'll always be online and I'm doing better now that I've focused my attentions and activity on tumblr! My work's gotten at least 100+ notes every time I post and I've only been on tumblr as an artist for 3 weeks. So it's very promising!
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:iconstormfiregirl:
StormFireGirl Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2017
So following you on Tumblr! But fair warning it can be just as nightmarish and plagiarizing as DA. Granted, what social media site isn't these days? 
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
Very true, but the difference is that tumblr users are more open and vicious when it comes to defending the work of an artist they like, and I've found so MUCH support on there from professionals and from mature people who are willing to really help me out as an artist. I'm doing a little better financially thanks to them too, since I've managed to get a few patrons thanks to being on tumblr! Work gets viral pretty quickly compared to on here on DA for me.
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:icontimthebigdaddy:
TimtheBigDaddy Featured By Owner May 19, 2017  Student General Artist
TUMBLR! TO ARMS!
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:iconxwhisper-lonefox-x:
Xwhisper-lonefox-X Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
it's sad to see you leave DA, but i understand
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
I'm always going to be making art! You can find my bluepact stuff on sparrowsnest.tumblr.com and I've got a patreon now too! patreon.com/mossybrows
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:icondeltaturtle:
Deltaturtle Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2017  Student General Artist
Are you actually going to delete this account? Please don't...:(
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:iconlunariaride20:
LunariaRide20 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've started following you on your tumblr. I understand your decision, and I think you and DA have had a good run. But it's definitely starting to get old (I feel the same way).
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
I know right? Tumblr though also being old, has actually been really really good to me, better than DA has ever been! My art's been given so much more attention on there than ever on DA, plus people aren't afraid to defend me if people try to steal my work! 
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spickred Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017
You got to be kidding me, I didn't know that DA would do this, I was told that they had respect for artists of all kinds, but now seeing this! I'm just glade i haven't posted much on here. I dont blame you for wanting to move on from here, In fact knowing this i may do just the same. I dont want any of my art being used for anything bad. 
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
I know right? Anyway, you can still find my Blue Pact sutff on sparrowsnest.tumblr.com and I've even got a few videos up on there! I'll be working on most of the stuff in secret, because SOMEBODY just asked for permission to rip-off "Seshiru" and they were a DA user who moved to tumblr. Can you believe that?! That's the kind of people on DA I've encountered on more than one occasion. I am appalled. 
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FreeLIW Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017  Student General Artist
Okay...I understand how you feel, though. I recently had to move accounts because my old one was getting too dramatic and I wanted to focus on my future career. I'll miss your art though; I'll definitely follow your Tumblr blog. I LOVE your story and I hope you're doing well~! :heart: :hug:
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you so much for supporting me thus far! As I've mentioned before, I'll be working more on my BL fanart because it just makes me really happy. I'm not really in a good financial spot right now and it's very depressing.
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:iconfreeliw:
FreeLIW Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2017  Student General Artist
Aww...Well, I'll be sure to keep you in my thoughts and continue to support your beautiful art~
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:iconshinhoyo:
Shinhoyo Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... If DA really does that stuff,I might just upload my art elsewhere... Not sure, it's good you put it here, anyways. Good luck on getting everything together (^3^)
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AI-Sparklez Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
Hmmm, I think I can relate to this. I agree with and respect your decision. I'll pass this along, you never know what may happen next.
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you. I'll be taking these next few days to take my work back. In the meantime, I've added my patreon link to the jornal above, but here it is again: www.patreon.com/mossybrows
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sydbhines19jay Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Student General Artist
Love ya Cake! I hope you get everything sorted out and all goes your way in the near future. I hate to see that you're leaving DA but I can understand. Take care!

<3 -Ika
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you. Oh, and also if you'd like to get a hold of me, I'm always on tumblr and Skype these days. It's been...really tough. You can check out my patreon here too www.patreon.com/mossybrows
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:iconsydbhines19jay:
sydbhines19jay Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017  Student General Artist
I'm still on skype too. Don't worry Cake things will look up soon enough. Hang in there! <3
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:icontherunningchicken:
therunningchicken Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017
Hope life goes well for you ovo)9
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you. I've edited the journal to include my patreon in case you'd like to check it out. Please do take a bit of time to see what I've got on my tumblr because I'll be uploading there from now on!
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:icontherunningchicken:
therunningchicken Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017
Yah yah, anytime ovo)~
Well I am following you on Tumblr.  Only problem is that I don't use it that often to be honest.  I will go there every so often but not to much.  But I will look out for your things ovo)9
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
Thank you very much! I've got several accounts on there actually, but I'm going to be focusing on fanart more than my original stuff for now. I've been really stressed lately, and I've even been asked by someone from here (won't say who, but I'll post the censored conversation) if they could even rip-off my OC! Can you believe that?! That's the kind of people than are on DA!

Despite what people say about tumblr and tumblr users being 'too uptight' and 'too sensitive' it feels like a safer place for me as an artist because everyone knows they're being policed!
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therunningchicken Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017
Hope the stress goes away soon ovo)9

But regarding the rip-off stuff.  I feel like that can be found anywhere to be honest.  While it may be harder to do it on some sites I have seen people from here post journals that someone form "this and that" site have copied'/stolen their work.  So I mean, hopefully it wont happen on Tumblr, but it might happen.  So I guess what I'm saying is that you shouldn't get your hopes to high up for that.  I am not to be mean though, just a warning.
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2017  Professional General Artist
Yeah but I don't mind it as much when it's fanart anyway. That's what I've been doing lately to get enough money together to see if I can seriously work on my original stuff (and protect it). If it's fanart, a lot of people have seen where it comes from already, so anyone who reposts'll get their shit shot down. Plus, there's a new app to help artists find reposts of their work and essentially have that reposter pay up or the repost gets taken down.
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:icontherunningchicken:
therunningchicken Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2017
Never heard of an app like that.  Is it somewhat new?
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:iconfunnytime77:
funnytime77 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Student Artist
why is everyone leaving deviantart?
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:iconp4percake:
P4perCake Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Professional General Artist
Honestly, because it's not that good.
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:iconfunnytime77:
funnytime77 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017  Student Artist
i see.
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